Tested out some Octane booster...

[Trentk]

Beau at Mental Addiction Motorsports has been hearing good things about this Torco fuel additive.  Apparently the Supra/Buick guys are crazy about it.  When he told me what it is supposedly capable of I told him he was crazy.  But I tried it out anyway.

This is what the 32 oz can says:
Treatment Ratio with 32ozs of Accelerator
-97 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 20 Gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline
-104 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 10 gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline
-107 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 5 gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline

In case you didn't know here in AZ we get stuck with 91 octane, not only that but in the summer we get a really shitty "summer mix" gasoline that has a bunch of additives (MTBE or something) and everyone in town has to back off their timing by 4 degrees or more, even on n/a cars!!

Seeing that I am a sissy I never run more than 7psi on this shit gas.  I have heard detonation at 9psi on our "good" winter gas.  So I had about 12 gallons of 91 octane shit gas and I poured in the 32 ounce can.  I then upped the boost to 12, way higher than I have ever gone on "pump" gas.  I didnt' touch the timing, it hasn't moved in many months.  I had zero detonation.  I ran through the gears several times, I also loaded the engine by stomping on it in 5th gear at 2500rpms all the way until well past the speed limit.  Still no detonation.

The kenne bell guys love this stuff, I got this from their forums:
"2oz to 5 gal = 1 octane."
"10gal of 91+32 oz of accelerator will net you about 102 octane."

I don't know if I 100% agree with the numbers they list on the can, they are probably a bit optimistic.  But the stuff worked good for me.  I might try upping to boost to 14-15 next time.

If you want to try some call Beau at Mental Addiction 480-203-7038, a can is $13 and that includes shipping I think.  I am also pretty sure it is O2 and catalytic converter safe.  But ask beau to be sure.





Thanks,

Trent

[TurboSN95]

Normally those octane boosters aren't worth it, but those numbers are great.

[BlackMagic94]

I think I will stick to 100LL for 2.35 a gallon 5 minutes away from my house.

[TurboSN95]

Has anyone bought C16 recently?  I'm wondering what the latest its selling for... I used to pay $7 or $8 a gallon.

[Trentk]

I paid $8.50 for it at firebird a few weeks ago.  I know you can get it cheaper in bulk though.

Trent

[UNTCHBL]

Trent, I've used the Torco Octane booster alot in the past,  Normally I would just run the tank pretty dry, do my 5 gallon jug with 93 add the booster, then add another 5 gallon's of 93.

I made 13psi with the novi on this gas, with 10* base timing, and loved it.  Never heard a single ping.

Brandon

[Dustyn5.02.5]

Originally posted by Trentk
Beau at Mental Addiction Motorsports has been hearing good things about this Torco fuel additive.  Apparently the Supra/Buick guys are crazy about it.  When he told me what it is supposedly capable of I told him he was crazy.  But I tried it out anyway.

This is what the 32 oz can says:
Treatment Ratio with 32ozs of Accelerator
-97 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 20 Gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline
-104 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 10 gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline
-107 Minimum Octane Race Fuel treat 5 gallons of 93 octane minimum gasoline

In case you didn't know here in AZ we get stuck with 91 octane, not only that but in the summer we get a really shitty "summer mix" gasoline that has a bunch of additives (MTBE or something) and everyone in town has to back off their timing by 4 degrees or more, even on n/a cars!!

Seeing that I am a sissy I never run more than 7psi on this shit gas.  I have heard detonation at 9psi on our "good" winter gas.  So I had about 12 gallons of 91 octane shit gas and I poured in the 32 ounce can.  I then upped the boost to 12, way higher than I have ever gone on "pump" gas.  I didnt' touch the timing, it hasn't moved in many months.  I had zero detonation.  I ran through the gears several times, I also loaded the engine by stomping on it in 5th gear at 2500rpms all the way until well past the speed limit.  Still no detonation.

The kenne bell guys love this stuff, I got this from their forums:
"2oz to 5 gal = 1 octane."
"10gal of 91+32 oz of accelerator will net you about 102 octane."

I don't know if I 100% agree with the numbers they list on the can, they are probably a bit optimistic.  But the stuff worked good for me.  I might try upping to boost to 14-15 next time.

If you want to try some call Beau at Mental Addiction 480-203-7038, a can is $13 and that includes shipping I think.  I am also pretty sure it is O2 and catalytic converter safe.  But ask beau to be sure.

Thanks,

Trent

Trent, are those mon or ron ratings or both?

[Chris95SVT]

My girlfriends car got an emergency bottle of Torco Octane booster tonight. Accidentally put in 89, and it was pinging like a bastard when I hit the gas (Supercharged). I hope it works.

[NeedaTurbo]

There's a place that sells 95 octane around here, ahhh, I love the south  

So do they sell this stuff at like Auto Zone and stuff?  (I've seen some "octane booster" there)

[MX22Rider]

Ive never tried it and if i could find a way to test the octane rating of gas somehow id figure it out BUT... my chemistry teacher is a millionaire who sold 3 of his 5 patents to exon for 7 figures and i talked to him about this a while ago and he told me that moth balls will raise the octane of gas substantially, from anyone else i woulda thought you crazy bastard but just because of the respect i have for the mans intelligence... is there anyway you could test that without running it through a motor? he told me 5-10 would treat an entire gas tank for a few points... i would never just throw mothballs in my gas tank, let them sit in a 5gallon tank then poor the gas into the tank (liquid part only obviously)

[94cobra2615]

This is worth reading.  I didn't write this.

The legend of mothballs as an octane enhancer arose well before WWII when naphthalene was used as the active ingredient. Today, the majority of mothballs use para-dichlorobenzene in place of naphthalene, so choose carefully if you wish to experiment :-). There have been some concerns about the toxicity of para-dichlorobenzene, and naphthalene mothballs have again become popular. In the 1920s, typical gasoline octane ratings were 40-60 [11], and during the 1930s and 40s, the ratings increased by approximately 20 units as alkyl leads and improved refining processes became widespread [12].

Naphthalene has a blending motor octane number of 90 [52], so the addition of a significant amount of mothballs could increase the octane, and they were soluble in gasoline. The amount usually required to appreciably increase the octane also had some adverse effects. The most obvious was due to the high melting point ( 80C ), when the fuel evaporated the naphthalene would precipitate out, blocking jets and filters. With modern gasolines, naphthalene is more likely to reduce the octane rating, and the amount required for low octane fuels will also create operational and emissions problems.

[Bellman Jeff]

Originally posted by Trentk


Seeing that I am a sissy I never run more than 7psi on this shit gas.  I have heard detonation at 9psi on our "good" winter gas.  

Don't know about AZ, but most parts of the country formulate their "winter gas" to be more volitile.. So that it lights off eaiser in the cold..

[rl-]

I wouldnt trust those things...

Luckily for me we have a odd gas station near me called the fuel depot. 6 different race gasses on pump, no attendant (pay with card at the pump) and they leave the pumps on 24/7.

[MX22Rider]

Originally posted by 94cobra2615
This is worth reading.  I didn't write this.

The legend of mothballs as an octane enhancer arose well before WWII when naphthalene was used as the active ingredient. Today, the majority of mothballs use para-dichlorobenzene in place of naphthalene, so choose carefully if you wish to experiment :-). There have been some concerns about the toxicity of para-dichlorobenzene, and naphthalene mothballs have again become popular. In the 1920s, typical gasoline octane ratings were 40-60 [11], and during the 1930s and 40s, the ratings increased by approximately 20 units as alkyl leads and improved refining processes became widespread [12].

Naphthalene has a blending motor octane number of 90 [52], so the addition of a significant amount of mothballs could increase the octane, and they were soluble in gasoline. The amount usually required to appreciably increase the octane also had some adverse effects. The most obvious was due to the high melting point ( 80C ), when the fuel evaporated the naphthalene would precipitate out, blocking jets and filters. With modern gasolines, naphthalene is more likely to reduce the octane rating, and the amount required for low octane fuels will also create operational and emissions problems.

ok so there was some method to my chem teachers madness, and i remember him saying something about napthalene, looks like its not the greatest idea, thanx for posting that

[Sizz]

Why not use methanol/water injection?

[Trentk]

Originally posted by Dustyn5.02.5
Trent, are those mon or ron ratings or both?

I don't know it doesn't say.

All I know is it worked just as well as racegas or avgas does for me.

Trent

[turbo54]

I am currently waiting on a 55 gallon drum of TEL (thats Tetra-Ethyl Lead) to clear customs.  I've imported it from China.

The cost of the drum was $700.  It should turn about 2500 gallons of 93 into 116.

[Saleen91]

The local Lightning guys here love that stuff.  I got in on one of their group purchases and bought a 5 gallon can of it myself. Torco advertises it as a race gas concentrate..."the stuff you add to gasoline to make it high octane race gas".  Their web site is: http://www.torcoracefuels.com/

 I mix 16 oz with 5 gallons of 93 to come up with roughly 104 octane.  I've run as high as 22# of boost with 24^ of timing up top and no sign of detonation.  As a comparison I typically run around with 10# of boost and 20^ of timing on pump gas and never get a ping any time of year under any condition.  That's probably leaving some HP on the table, but for driving on the street that's where I leave it.

[saleen_n_around]

Originally posted by turbo54
I am currently waiting on a 55 gallon drum of TEL (thats Tetra-Ethyl Lead) to clear customs.  I've imported it from China.

The cost of the drum was $700.  It should turn about 2500 gallons of 93 into 116.

I don't suppose you would be interested in 'distributing' some of that!!!!!!

[8liter]

What about Toluene?

[RossMacD]

Originally posted by BlackMagic94
I think I will stick to 100LL for 2.35 a gallon 5 minutes away from my house.

Pansy, where is your sense of hole-in-the-piston adventure?

[TURBODADDY]

Originally posted by turbo54
I am currently waiting on a 55 gallon drum of TEL (thats Tetra-Ethyl Lead) to clear customs.  I've imported it from China.

The cost of the drum was $700.  It should turn about 2500 gallons of 93 into 116.

Could you give me any info,where I could order some of that stuff? and it will really turn that many gallons of 93 into 116? I just bought a 50 gal drum of c16 for $435.00,here at a local shop:(

[A.R.M]

Unless things have changed recently I doubt any octane booster you buy from the store are going to give you any sucessfull results. Usually they raise the octane 'points' i.e. from 92 to 92.3. However there are a couple of formulas for octane boosting with common solvents.

Toulene
R+M/2...114
cost...?
Ratio's with 92-
10% 94.2 Octane
20% 96.4 Octane
30% 98.6 Octane
...Dont use over 30 percent mix

Xylene
R+M/2...117
Cost...$6-8 gal
Ratio's with 92-
10% 94.5 Octane
20% 97.0 Octane
30% 99.5 Octane
...Dont use over 30 percent mix

Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)
R+M/2...118
Cost...?
Ratio's with 92-
10% 94.6 Octane
20% 97.2 Octane
30% 99.8 Octane
...Dont use over 30 percent mix

Methanol or Ethanol
R+M/2...101
Cost...?
Ratio's with 92-
10% 94.3 Octane (meth)
10% 94.7 Octane (ethanol)
20% Not recomended, will eat rubber, linings, and aluminum if used in excessive ratio's.

What would you guys do with out DSMers

[scubastang5]

Originally posted by A.R.M
What would you guys do with out DSMers

probably have a lot less ricers to pick on


I interned at Sherwin Williams back in the day and I could get 5 gallon pails of Xylene for like $18

[gotageta5oh]

Originally posted by rl-
I wouldnt trust those things...

Luckily for me we have a odd gas station near me called the fuel depot. 6 different race gasses on pump, no attendant (pay with card at the pump) and they leave the pumps on 24/7.

I LOVE THAT PLACE!!!:D