vecco / tfl performance hot side stainless sucks

[ziptie007]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but vecco just realeased a nice looking single turbo setup that would be nice except for one thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1) They copyied 95% of BG CUSTOM TURBO's single turbo kit to the "t" and when brian finds out he's going to sue there asses off. So if anyone orders from them you won't get the kit and will probably have problems getting the money back.

* I edited out my stainless comment since its more important that people know that they stole BG CUSTOM TURBO's design but I still have my own opinion about the 304 stainless.

[matt95]

1.  There's nothing wrong with 304.  In fact that's what TTI and Cartech use as std. on their kits.  Do a search, there's been numerous discussions on the stainless vs. mild topic.  I never had any cracking with my old Cartech SS system.

2.  If that's true, hopefully Brian can get some recourse.

[White9T2GT]

Yep 304 is what TTI uses, because I have talked to them about it.  It comes down to how good the welder is.

[ziptie007]

We'll see thats all I have to say. Any one care to comment on the second part.

[B&G CUSTOM TURBO]

I'll reply.

1. Cartec uses mild steel flanges and mild steel primarys until the first joint they then use 304 from there out. It still has issues. The only way I have found to do them(in full stainless) is to keep every primary seprate and use a full slip collector.

2. Yep it is a mirror image and we have tracked it back to the "dealer" we sold them to. which happens to be friends with Brandon Vecchio, Co owner of Vecco. They are a slightly older design (notice the round t-4 we now use. But we still off the square.)
After a few hours at the attorney's office today I found there is recource, and I will get mine, I also found that they are incorporated which limits my damages to the business only.
There is 3 directors:
Brandon Vecchio
Cynthia Vecchio
And
Jason Stone
We'll see what tomarrow brings.

Take a look and judge for yourselfs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8032528023

[JustinG]

Wow they sure did copy your hotside design 

[B&G CUSTOM TURBO]

All yea. And we bought another two of them today. Can't wait to try them on the jigs also.   

[JustinG]

All yea. And we bought another two of them today. Can't wait to try them on the jigs also.   

Ha that will be interesting to see the results of that, before I saw the picture of their kit I figured they might have taken a few things here or their from your design but holy shit it looks dead fucken on to yours



Justin

[B&G CUSTOM TURBO]

Yep Them are identical to our oncenter ones. I just asked him for my invoice lol.
Thanks,
brian

[gtluke]

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[CWhiteRun]

I smell blood spilling....

[ziptie007]

Glad you could chime in.....Man you would swear they built a jig rite off your kit (which they probably did) But any ways thats pretty dam shady.

[JustinG]

Here is a link to the TFX Performance guys using the same hotside 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-93-FORD-MUSTANG-SINGLE-TURBO-KIT-TURBONETICS-TURBO_W0QQitemZ8032565538QQcategoryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[matt95]

1. Cartec uses mild steel flanges and mild steel primarys until the first joint they then use 304 from there out. It still has issues. The only way I have found to do them(in full stainless) is to keep every primary seprate and use a full slip collector.

The Cartech SN95 street sleeper system I had was mild flanges and all 304 piping (this was an older kit, 1st gen. I believe).  That kit didn't have any problems with cracking, ect.  I ordered an Outlaw SN95 system, which was also mild flanges and all 304 piping, never got a chance to run that kit, but I am positive on the materials.  TTI also uses mild flanges and all stainless piping.

[B&G CUSTOM TURBO]

Hi Fellas,
 Just wanted to give a quick update I probably will not post until this is over but you guys can I will read and appreciate any opinion on this matter. Also if anyone has our single kits that look like this 79-93 if you post pictures and date of purchase, here it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Brian Horne

[RoadW3]

I thought those looked the same.  I even email the guy and asked him who builds the kits.  I have his response somewhere in the old emails.  Here is a reply to a question I aske him about the turbo kit.  This is the TFX Performance auction.

From smt1121,    Question for item #8032565538 - 86-93 FORD MUSTANG SINGLE TURBO KIT - TURBONETICS TURBO

The headers are polished stainless steel - made in Creston, Ohio - We can deduct $120 for the MAF from the final price. We supply heat tape in the kit for any wiring - the wiring can also be relocated inside the fenderwell which is simple to do. There is room to grow if you go with the Turbonetics T-series - The reason we use Turbonetics and recommend it is they do have the 1 year warranty. Some of these Turbos have no warranties or any easy way of getting parts for.


Eric

[JustinG]

Brian I have a few pics of your hotside layed out if you would like me to post those I could, or are you just looking foir pictures of installed kits?

Justin

[Scott02GT]

I hope everyone knows better than to but a kit from thieving assholes, I hope you nail thier asses Brian.

I know how it feels to have someone rip off products, an it's hard enough paying the bills without some asshole taking your hard work and duplicating it to steal out of your pocket.  I would rather be awarded ten minutes to work them over with a pipe.

[JustinG]

I found this one on my computer here at work, I will post more when I get back home.

[bigtire187]

i was about to order the vecco kit off of ebay until i read this how much is kit /im in the market to bty the hot side parts for my 87 331 blow thru turbo

[B&G CUSTOM TURBO]

They run 550. for a 79-93 5.0. The 3.5 inch downpipe runs another 325.00.(the downpipe price may fall as we are buying a truck load this week.
Thanks,
Brian

[bigtire187]

thanks

[Eric88T]

The stainless argument is weak.  But it does like look they copied your kit.  Good luck with that.

[bigtire187]

the vecco kit is made of 304 stainless how will that hold up to a pt 88 turbo

[Mr Broke]

Brian, do you have a patent or copyright on your kits that keep people from copying them, I know Nitrous Express and several other companies copy each other and as Ricky tells me, unless there is some sort of patent, there is nothing legaly anyone can do.  companies all steal from one another in one way.  I know Vecco does use jigs to build there stuff, would be interesting if theyre products bolt directly into your jigs too   Id be curious to see what happens here.  I know pattented parts have to be changed 10% to get arond a patent, but non patented parts are yours for the taking. Whats your thoughts on this.