How long till it grenades? ( It never did! Go figure.) Grenade part 2 to come.

[Pinion]

stefs builds quality stuff, and the converted a/c accumulator is a pretty slick idea - good thinking.  it may be a little low rent for any of your builds, but i saw this home-brewed catch can in the diy section some time back and was pretty impressed with the ingenuity behind it.  especially for under $20.

all said and done about $18 worth of stuff from orchard and kragens! ! ! !

[70BSACamaro]

Hey guys,

I think this intake may have potential Just wouldn't want to be the one paying for it!!! 









If the images don't show up try this link  http://www.zatzy.com/showthread.php?t=318794&page=1&pp=20

[trbo355]

Wow that thing is a work of art! Very nice.

[trbo355]

Ohhhh good lord im finally done with the radiator shrouding! That officially makes TEN HOURS to build it. I bet i cut and trimmed that stupid thing 50 times on all sides till it fit right. I used some 3/8 fuel hose where it butted up to the intercooler by slicing it with a knife the whole length and sliding it onto the aluminum to protect against rubbing. And i tried to tear my fingers off as i was changing the drill bit in my air powered 90 deg. drill when i had the chuck stuck in it and accidentally hit the throttle. Powerful little buggers when their air powered!
This caused my fingers to get the shit beat out of em as the chuck flew around along with bleeding and some creative language.
Here's the damn shroud in all its glory and all i gots to say is the front end better not get wrecked cuz i aint building another one!

It seems to work good as it'll suck a rag to the holes in the nose now with the fan going. You guys think the added intercooler efficiency at 3000 mph will help the top end? I bet it does. Not too sure what it does for aerodynamics though.

[trbo355]

Did you guys gear that Boyd Coddington died this morning? Thats a bummer. He was only 62 or 63 years old and from what i hear, he was fighting prostate cancer.

[TT TA 355]

Better to die rich not poor

[flynbrian]

Did he really kick it? Honestly I cant stand the guy! Met him once and he never took the frown off his face...Even for people who were real nice...He rode around the car show I was at on his Chauffered golf cart with his arms crossed and a "why do I gotta be here" attitude...
 After that & his TV show where everyone acted like asses I had enough of him...

 I'm sure some people would be sad...But I'm not.

[Swiftshifter]

Did you guys gear that Boyd Coddington died this morning? Thats a bummer. He was only 62 or 63 years old and from what i hear, he was fighting prostate cancer.

He probably saw the Ebay auction for that snot-nose dude's TT434cid '63 Stingray 'Vette and keeled over when bidding ended at only  $140K. BTW, St. Peter's gettin' a big, fat, punch in the nose, if I die at only 63 years of age, probably be the only time there's a fist fight at the Pearly Gates.


---==Temio Williams
        Yuba City, CA

[trbo355]

He probably saw the Ebay auction for that snot-nose dude's TT434cid '63 Stingray 'Vette and keeled over when bidding ended at only  $140K. BTW, St. Peter's gettin' a big, fat, punch in the nose, if I die at only 63 years of age, probably be the only time there's a fist fight at the Pearly Gates.


---==Temio Williams
        Yuba City, CA

Yeah no kidding! Well i drove the firechicken about 50 miles so far and everything seems to be working good. It has a lot more rattles and vibration than it did before and those heim end lower control arms make a lot of racket. Oh well, its part of the fun!
I have it at 10 lbs base boost right now till i get some time on it and it stalls 300 rpm higher on the converter and has GREAT boost response with the added cubes. It will spool right up to the 2 step without NOS now and acts very similar to the old GN turbos and .63 housings.
Water temp looks like it holds a low number real good too!

[trbo355]

Here is a pix of my air ducting with the nose off the car. It looks like an ant eater or one of those chipper/shredder machines! LOL Just for fun is also a pix of my 98 camaro slow ass V6 car with some sweet chineese Halo headlamps and markers installed.
I think it made it look pretty cool for 150 bucks. The old markers and headlights were so beat up and ALWAYS leaked water till the bulbs would shatter so an upgrade was in order.
I still have all the stuff to hang a turbo on it but cant get excited enough to start the project. If i didnt have my firebird, it would be a fun little car to hop up but alas, i've been bitten by the horsepower bug too hard.

[wastingtime]

I would like to see you hang a turbo off that 6er.  Makes for a fun sleeper.  Mabey not 300hp worth though, hehe.

[trbo355]

I would like to see you hang a turbo off that 6er.  Makes for a fun sleeper.  Mabey not 300hp worth though, hehe.

Your car kicks ass and does give me some inspiration to get busy on mine! So you aint blown that thing up yet eh? I got a question for ya about the alternator on those cars. Mine will intermittently drop voltage for a split second at idle. At first i thought it had a problem with their funky pulse width modulated style regulator but now im thinkin the belt gets damp and slips as it seems to do it more when its cold or rainy.
Ever had that problem? I just dont wanna get stranded if its really the alternator at fault.

[wastingtime]

As far as the needle dipping at idle, GM has TSB's that say that is "normal", not to say it could not be the start of problems.  What sucks is it's not a $50 alternator that would practicle to get a spare.  mine still runs, engine is still good, but I have broken every other piece of the drivetrain  .  Drag radials made quick work of the rear and trans, hehe

[trbo355]

As far as the needle dipping at idle, GM has TSB's that say that is "normal", not to say it could not be the start of problems.  What sucks is it's not a $50 alternator that would practicle to get a spare.  mine still runs, engine is still good, but I have broken every other piece of the drivetrain  .  Drag radials made quick work of the rear and trans, hehe

It doesnt seem to hurt anything but you can definitely hear the heater motor slow down for a second when it does it. It did it really bad for a few days before i discovered the TB gasket was leaking coolant and pissing a direct stream on the serpentine belt. Thats why i thiught maybe it gets water splash in the winter causing the same effect. Thanks for the info!   Oh yeah, did your car have the 2 piece driveline? Mine came stock with the one piece and i was a bit surprised acording to what iv'e read.

[wastingtime]

Yeah, it had the 2 piece shaft.  That crapped out a long time ago.  Before I was over 15#'s.  The bearing took a crap and it ripped the bushing out around the bearing, that was one hell of a vibration under throttle.  I forget what year your car is, but the 99 or 2000 up came with a 1 piece.  As for the trans and rear: as soon as I put the drag radials on the trans started slipping because the tires didn't, and the rear broke when I was doing a TNT on a back road and got a little wheel hop when I blew the tires away and then pedaled it.  The rear breaking was happy though, because that little tough engine pushed the car to a sub 4second 0-60 mph (a full 1 second quicker than the pass in my signature) pedaling it because of tire spin off the line and with the beat tranny that took two seconds for it to catch 2nd gear and stop slipping.  I'm throwing a used rear and trans in it for now because I want to get a stock car into the mid low 11's.  Also, I'm torn.  I havent even messed with it too much in the past couple of months because i don't know if I want to drop money into it or or start on a LSX based combo.  I'm thinking I want to do something that which can make over 500rwhp no problem on low boostand do it right once and be able to crank boost up to make 1k HP, not something that will max out in the 500 range spending the same money.  I figure I will make a solid decision this spring, cause i am sure I will break a lot of shit this spring

[trbo355]

Yeah, it had the 2 piece shaft.  That crapped out a long time ago.  Before I was over 15#'s.  The bearing took a crap and it ripped the bushing out around the bearing, that was one hell of a vibration under throttle.  I forget what year your car is, but the 99 or 2000 up came with a 1 piece.  As for the trans and rear: as soon as I put the drag radials on the trans started slipping because the tires didn't, and the rear broke when I was doing a TNT on a back road and got a little wheel hop when I blew the tires away and then pedaled it.  The rear breaking was happy though, because that little tough engine pushed the car to a sub 4second 0-60 mph (a full 1 second quicker than the pass in my signature) pedaling it because of tire spin off the line and with the beat tranny that took two seconds for it to catch 2nd gear and stop slipping.  I'm throwing a used rear and trans in it for now because I want to get a stock car into the mid low 11's.  Also, I'm torn.  I havent even messed with it too much in the past couple of months because i don't know if I want to drop money into it or or start on a LSX based combo.  I'm thinking I want to do something that which can make over 500rwhp no problem on low boostand do it right once and be able to crank boost up to make 1k HP, not something that will max out in the 500 range spending the same money.  I figure I will make a solid decision this spring, cause i am sure I will break a lot of shit this spring

My car is a 98 which makes it odd to have the one piece shaft. Your idea of doing a LSX combo out of a 6 cyl. car has some advantages because iv'e been thinking the same thing about my car someday. Ok, so you start with a 6 cyl. car with the goal of a REALLY fast 4th gen because how much of a stock LS1 car will be left by the time your done? 6.0 liter iron block, L92 heads, tubular crossmember, TH 400 with a transbrake, 12 bolt or 9 inch rear.
Hell, all you need is a nice body and interior because you throw away the rest! Although i weighed the cost of a cheaper 6 cyl car against a LS1 car and the higher resale of the used LS1 stuff does bring the cost down to almost the same point. About the only thing you would need on the 6 cyl car is all the little brackets, pulleys and LS1 computer unless you went with aftermarket engine management.
I get that idea every time i stare at my lowly 6 cyl car that LOOKS so fast and just wanna tear it into a million pieces and LS turbo the hell out of it!

[wastingtime]

I'd have a hard time buying a Ls car just to save tha few hassles of putting one in it.  The big things are the k member, harness, motor and trans.  My turd is paid off so it would probably be more cost effective to just buy an aftermarket kmember (which would give more room anyhow) and an used engine and trans that comes and a harness than put the v6 back to stock, sell it and the parts, and buy an ls1 car to get the ball rolling.

[trbo355]

Ok i borrowed some super cool Longacre scales today and weighed my car. Well. . . . . . it's a porky pig. It weighs 3450 without driver and 3633 lbs race weight with almost a half tank of gas. Yikes! I believe it to weigh close to 60 lbs less than it used to with the new heads and x-member. If i preload 20 psi in the right air bag, it adds 30 lbs to the right rear and 30 lbs to the left front

[ty1295]

Did you have to make any adjustments other than the air bag?  I am amazed how close in weight it is side to side if you didn't do anything.

I suspect you had to do something else beside air bag.

[trbo355]

Did you have to make any adjustments other than the air bag?  I am amazed how close in weight it is side to side if you didn't do anything.

I suspect you had to do something else beside air bag.

The pix shows the weights with no air bag preload and no driver. Im surprised how neutral it is side to side considering the drivetrain IS slightly offset to the passenger side from the factory. You can see the pass. rear is heavier since the battery is back in that corner. Here is how the weights look with air in the bag and me sitting in it as it is raced.

    LF         RF
  1063      952

    LR         RR
   796       822

20 psi right bag w/driver
    1/2 tank of gas

 Do you guys think my lower control arm adjustments have the ability to move any weight around? They are adjustable now but since its not a 4 link style setup i dont see them doing much of anything???

[fastestdriver]

Marty, your the one running bottom 9's on a stock 350, holes drilled in your struts, and a TPI!  I think you got a handle on stuff   
Seriously though you can't really move your axle foward and aft with the lower control arms because of tire rubbing issues, so unless you have multiple holes at the rear axle mouting point I'm not sure what your options are.  The torque arm/pinion angle is an option I guess.  On another note, check this out, pretty innovative IMO.
http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/TA/

-Eldon

[boostedbbc]

Do you guys think my lower control arm adjustments have the ability to move any weight around? They are adjustable now but since its not a 4 link style setup i dont see them doing much of anything???

i think the only thing you will accomplish doing that is making your car go sideways down the track.

[trbo355]

Marty, your the one running bottom 9's on a stock 350, holes drilled in your struts, and a TPI!  I think you got a handle on stuff   
Seriously though you can't really move your axle foward and aft with the lower control arms because of tire rubbing issues, so unless you have multiple holes at the rear axle mouting point I'm not sure what your options are.  The torque arm/pinion angle is an option I guess.  On another note, check this out, pretty innovative IMO.
http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/TA/

-Eldon

Hmmm, that setup those guys sell looks pretty interesting! The theory seems sound and it would be interesting to try on a car like mine since i know it so well.

i think the only thing you will accomplish doing that is making your car go sideways down the track.

Yep. Thats what i thought! LOL

[therealmark]

Oh my gosh.... I read the WHOLE thing.  Thanks so much for the inspiration Marty (and all the regulars in this post).  I was about to order a crapload of bottom-end parts for a 383 but GRENADE has inspired me... ima freshen the top-end up and a try for a JY twin turbo setup first.    I don't want anything NEAR what you got out of grenade so this will be an amazing chance to see what my current junk (stock '89 suburban 350 of unknown mileage) will do with some tuning.  I'm currently running Megasquirt MS2 v3 and an Innovate LC-1 but my tuning is currently sorta along the lines of "It's running?!?! Wow, how'd I do that?".   

And if I scatter it all over the road, oh well... I'll have learned something for half the price of scattering a nice 383. 

Phenomenal work and thanks again!   


Mark.

[trbo355]

Oh my gosh.... I read the WHOLE thing.  Thanks so much for the inspiration Marty (and all the regulars in this post).  I was about to order a crapload of bottom-end parts for a 383 but GRENADE has inspired me... ima freshen the top-end up and a try for a JY twin turbo setup first.    I don't want anything NEAR what you got out of grenade so this will be an amazing chance to see what my current junk (stock '89 suburban 350 of unknown mileage) will do with some tuning.  I'm currently running Megasquirt MS2 v3 and an Innovate LC-1 but my tuning is currently sorta along the lines of "It's running?!?! Wow, how'd I do that?".   

And if I scatter it all over the road, oh well... I'll have learned something for half the price of scattering a nice 383. 

Phenomenal work and thanks again!   


Mark.

Wow! You ARE a dedicated reader to make it thru the whole thread man! Im glad you got a kick out of reading it. Just remember to make sure the ring gap is big enough to take some abuse as thats one of the key factors to making all this work.
Especially if you run a little lean under boost and heat the piston head up a bit too much. A big ring gap will keep it out of trouble.