Here I will attempt to address a
lot of the most commonly asked questions specifically regarding turbocharged
Mustangs. If you want to learn more about turbocharging in general please
check out the Turbocharging Bible and the links page. I also recommend that you look into some of the most popular
turbocharging books
The latest book on turbocharging was just released and the author used some
of the people from the forums to help with parts of the book, the book is called
Street Turbocharging by Mark Warner. Order
it here.
"Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell and "Turbochargers" by Hugh McInnis.
You can also pickup any book on thermodynamics to learn more about why turbochargers
work. Please read the turbo bible that is on this site too.
If you have something to add or a correction, please feel free to email me:
trelken@gmail.com
What is a boost controller?
What is boost spike?
Answer: external wastegate
or internal wastegate actuator has a base spring setting. For the sake of description
lets say it has a 5 psi spring. That means that when 5 psi boost hits the diaphragm
the wastegate opens. The boost controller is installed inline with the hose
that leads to the pressure side of the wastegate and the other side of the boost
controller is a vent. When the boost controller is in the closed ( You cannot
blow through it ) position, all the boost pressure goes to the wastegate and
you have a stock boost level. As you open the boost controller, boost pressure
that would have gone to the wastegate now diverts through the boost controller.
What this does is fool the wastegate. If you bleed off 5 psi on a 5 psi system
it will take 10 psi to open the wastegate resulting in a 5 psi boost increase
on your boost gauge and a lot more power from the engine. This is the simple
version and results vary with the system, the size of the hose being used, the
sensitivity of the wastegate spring. Manual boost controllers are also very
prone to boost spikes. This occurs when the boost controller is open all the
way and small diameter hose is being used. The boost pressure builds faster
than the hose can flow which lets the turbo spike up big boost numbers until
the pressure fights its way through the small hose to the diaphragm, then the
boost drops back down. This is a dangerous situation since the spike can blow
up your engine before you know what happened. The best way to minimize spike
is to keep the manual boost controller located under the hood with as short
a length of hose as is possible. This is easily demonstrated by you picking
up a piece of ¼" hose 4 feet long and trying to breath through it.
Go ahead, try it. Pretty tough isn't it. Now cut the hose in half and try it.
Much easier. Your turbo and wastegate feels the same way.
What is boost creep?
Answer: As greater exhaust output
is created from higher levels of engine performance, the stock internal wastegate
actuators begin to lose their effectiveness because the amount of exhaust flow
to be bypassed is now beyond their intended operating range. As the result of
exhaust flow being greater than the valves’ capacity to discharge, more exhaust
flow is directed to the turbine and additional boost is created, which is commonly
referred to as boost creep.
I want to make blah blah horsepower,
which turbo kit should I get? or Which
turbo kit is best?
This question will get you lots
of ridicule right away because NOBODY can tell you which turbo kit to buy for
your car. This decision has to be made by you. Each kit has it advantages
and disadvantages. That is why I created the Ultimate
Turbo Kit Guide, it contains all the information on every turbo kit out
there, even discontinued ones. The great thing about turbos is that just
about any kit on the market will make more than enough horsepower to split a
stock Ford 302 block in half. Just do a little research, determine your
car's goals and buy a turbo kit from a reputable company. Customer service
is a huge factor when determining where to buy your turbo kit.
Which gears should I get?
Turbochargers rely on exhaust
gasses to drive the unit. Useable Exhaust gas is created when the vehicle
is under a load. This is the reason many people recommend 3.27's or 3.55's
for a turbocharged street car. These less aggressive gear ratios place
a higher load on the car for a longer amount of time per gear. Of course
for a straight drag car you want to pick the set of gears that puts you in your
powerband for every gear and so you are passing through the traps at about redline
in your final non OD gear.
How fast will my car
go with xyz?
This is a pretty stupid question
because all cars and combos are different. But if you want to know how
fast your car will go first estimate how much power it will make. (Just
about every turbocharged Ford V8 will make over 380rwhp) Once you figure
out your power estimate plug it into a HP or track calculator like the one you
can download here.
What size turbo should
I get for 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, horsepower?
It is hard to answer such
a vague question. Proper turbo sizing requires an actual scientific method
using several mathematical equations based on the needs of the vehicle and the
airflow ability of the powerplant. But if you want some broad guidelines
here goes:
300rwhp- Single T44, most single turbo kits come with the T44 as the base turbo.
Twin- ??
400rwhp- A Single T44 will get you there but a T60 or T64 would be a better
choice. Twin- ??
500rwhp- A T64 is operating fairly efficiently at 500rwhp, if you want more
power upgrade. Twin- ??
600rwhp- A T72 or T74 will get you there no problem.
Twin- ??
700rwhp- T74 or T76.
Twin- ??
800rwhp- T76 or Garrett GT42.
Twin- ??
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Which boost controller should I get?
Any manual boost controller valve (air compressor
valve) will work fairly well at controlling boost. The $90 Turbo XS manual
boost controller probably is a little more reliable and steady. For electronic
boost controllers many people go with a Greddy Profec B.
Which turbo timer should
I get?
A turbo timer is a fairly simple device, get
whichever one suits your fancy.
What is the difference
between a BOV and bypass? How do they work, are they necessary?
A BOV is a Blow off Valve. These horn shaped
device is mounted along the intercooler piping somewhere between the turbo and
the throttle body. It will open up once the throttle blade is closed in
order to bleed off all the air in the system between the turbo and the throttle
blade. The blown off air is simply blown into the atmosphere.
A bypass valve looks very similar to a BOV and many BOV's can function as a
bypass valve. The difference being is the air that is blown off from the
bypass valve is recirculated via a hose back into the air intake system somewhere
between the MAF and the turbo. A bypass valve and not a BOV is necessary
on draw through MAF cars, otherwise you would be blowing off metered air.
A Draw through MAF is where the mass airflow meter is mounted in front of the
turbo.
There is no definitive answer if a BOV or bypass is necessary. However many
people agree that utilizing a BOV or bypass can extend turbo life and increase
spool time between shifts.
How does a wastegate
work?
A wastegate is mounted in the exhaust plumbing
before the turbocharger. A wastegate functions as a boost regulator by
diverting exhaust gasses around the turbo once the turbo has reached the desired
boost level. They are simply a large valve backed by a spring. Once
the exhaust gas has reached the capacity of the spring the valve starts to open,
diverting the exhaust gas around the turbo and back into the exhaust and out
the tailpipes.
What exhaust should
I buy?
Turbos HATE backpressure. You want the
highest flowing exhaust system you can fit. The main item here is mufflers.
You do not want chambered style mufflers like flowmasters. You want a
"straight through" type muffler like the dynomax super turbo, ultraflo
or any other straight through design muffler. Chambered mufflers will cost
you at least 20hp minimum. If you are running a single exhaust 3" is the
minimum, for dual exhaust 2.5" will be fine.
The overall exhaust system is up to you, like I said the larger the better.
If you can fit dual 3" then do it. The turbomustangs.com project
car is running a 3" downpipe which U-s out to a standard 2.5" catback
and this basic setup has been good for 700hp.
What
is Turbo Lag??
Turbo Lag is the time it takes from when you smash
the "go" pedal to the time the turbos are making an appreciable amount of boost.
For some reason people have it stuck in their mind that it takes 10 minutes
for the turbos to respond. That is simply not the case. Most of
the single turbo kits are making FULL BOOST before 3000 rpm or less (try that
with a centrifugal supercharger). Sure, if you mate up a T76 to a stock
5.0 then yes, there will be some turbo lag. But when you get a turbo that
is designed to work with your combination then there should be very, very little
lag. Twin turbos have even less lag, the power is there right after you
hit the gas basically.
You can even launch off the line under boost with a 5 speed if you get a two
step. I have made 10 psi at 5000 rpm with my single turbo kit and a simple
MSD two step.
What are the main differences between a Single and Twin Turbo setup?
First off, you can make as much
or as little horsepower as you want with either a single or a twin. The
main differences between the two are the turbo sizes and the complexity of the
entire package. With a single turbo you only have to deal with one of
everything, one turbo, one wastegate, one downpipe, and one set of plumbing.
With a twin turbo of course you have two of everything so that makes it a little
more complex. With a typical street twin setup you use fairly small turbos
therefore there is very little turbo lag. Now that Incon is pretty much
out of business there is no place to get a highly engineered twin turbo kit
for fox body Mustangs. However there are a few places that are coming
out with cheap do it yourself TT kits based on junkyard designs that
people have been using for years. If you are interested please check
them out, so far the feedback for them has been very positive.
Personally, I prefer the single turbo setups because I think they are a little
easier to work on because everything on the non-turbo side is just like a stock
mustang. So plug access and everything else is unaffected on that side.
Also it is pretty easy to swap out a single T60 turbo for a T72. Just
loosen a few bolts and bolt on the new turbo and you now have a turbo that can
support 850 hp.
I want to make 650+++ horsepower,
where do I start?
If you want to build a Mustang with
anything over 500 reliable rear wheel horsepower then you are looking at spending
some serious cash, basically every major stock component of the car is subject
to breakage at this point and will need to be upgraded. The main areas
are drivetrain, fuel, powerplant and power adder.
First is the drivetrain. You can't expect a stock T5 designed
for 225 horsepower to stand up to 3 times that amount. Assuming this is
a street car the best choice is the Tremec TKO or maybe a T56 if you are
a high roller, along with a STAR Spec III or IV clutch or perhaps and McCleod
twin disk setup. These two components can handle that much power,
but even the TKO is only rated at 550 ft/lbs of torque, so if it blows up don't blame them.
If it is a drag car most guys use a built up C4 automatic. You also may
want to throw in a lakewood bellhousing, you will need it when you run 10's
anyway. You will also need to upgrade your rear end to a 31 spline or
even 33 spline setup. I use a detroit tru-trac differential with
mine, I am very happy with it. You will also need to stiffen the chassis with
a cage, subframe connectors and aftermarket rear control arms. Otherwise,
after a few launches with slicks and 700hp your car will look like a pretzel
and the doors won't close. Not to mention that with that much power
you should be near the 9's and you need a cage and a bunch of other things to
be legal to race.
Second is the fuel system. The stock style fuel system is
for about 500rwhp. Above that you are rolling the dice because the factory
lines and rails can't keep up with the demands of the engine, no matter how
big your fuel pumps are. At this point you need to upgrade the lines,
rails, pumps, and possibly even add a sump to the stock tank. I am not
going to get into the specifics but you should probably use at least -6 and
-8 fuel lines and aftermarket fuel rails. The turbomustangs.com project
car features a complete X2C motorsports fuel system which was simple to bolt
in and utilizes OEM style Bosch pumps which are not terribly noisy. We
have run this system down to empty and never experienced a single problem on
the street.
Next is the powerplant. The production 302 block can handle
about 500 rwhp, any point above that and it can crack at any moment. Sure
there are guys out there making more power using the stock block but they are
the exception and they are a ticking time bomb and they know that. The
stock block has been known to crack at even lower levels than 500 so be careful.
So now you must decide on where to go from here. The first step is the
Ford Sportsman 302 block. Nobody knows for sure if these are worth the
money they cost about $1000 shipped and might not be any stronger than a stock
block. Next is the old A4 block which you can only find used now.
They run about $1200-1600 and they can handle 1200+ hp. Now comes to two
major players, the Ford R302 block and the Dart Block. Each block will
take well over 1200 hp and they will both cost you over $2000 after machining.
Now you must throw in some high quality internals. The eagle 4340
forged H-beams and crank are rated at ~1150hp from Eagle if you opt for the
rod bolt upgrade. Standard Eagle H-beam rods are good for 750.
It is my opinion that if you plan on over 1000hp you need Billett parts.
Billet crank and rods will cost you over $2000 easily and they will handle any
amount of horsepower. Next you need some forged pistons designed for a boosted
application and a good set of rings. Try to get about 8.5:1 compression.
Now choose the best flowing heads and intake and get a custom turbo cam.
There are many different heads and intakes out there suitable for this power
level.
Last is the power adder. As I said above you can make this
much hp with either a twin or single turbo it is up to you. The incon
800hp twin turbo kit can make 650rwhp. A single turbo kit with a T72 or bigger
can make the same power. It is your choice. There are also large
race oriented twin turbo kits that make 1000+ hp (Cartech Dominator) or
there are large single turbo kits that utilize 90-106mm turbos that make 900-1500
hp (John Urists). So it is up to you to make the decision.
What are the main tuning problems
when dealing with Turbos?
The
main thing you need to control with a turbo is the timing. It helps a
great deal to have an aftermarket tuning device that will allow you to pull
some timing at the point in the power curve where you are making peak torque.
An eec-tuner, tweecer, PMS, Speedbrain, FAST, AEM or a chip will allow you to
do this. This will help ensure that you don't have detonation. You
can pull out timing at the torque peak and then add in timing from there
to get some more power. Other than that the same tuning issues apply
to turbos that apply for all power adders: make sure you have a fuel and
ignition system that is up to the task.
Which cam should I run?
The stock cam
will support enough hp to crack the stock block in half and provide superb driveability.
There is really no reason to change cams unless you want to make big time power.
Which heads and intake work best
for a turbo??
As long as they have good flow capability
then they will work. There is no magical answer for turbos. Just
choose the best set of heads that you can afford. There are people running
9's and 10's with every type of head out there. THERE IS NO MAGIC ANSWER,
THERE IS NO SPECIAL SET OF HEADS DESIGNED FOR TURBOS.
Also keep in mind the AFR heads will not fit with the Cartech turbo header without
trimming the header flange.
What type of exhaust should I run?
The main item
here is mufflers. You do not want chambered style mufflers like
flowmasters. You want a flow through type muffler like the dynomax super
turbo or any other straight through design muffler. I have heard that
running chambered style mufflers can cost you upwards of 30 hp. You also
want the biggest exhaust you can get. If you are running a single exhaust
3" is the minimum, for dual exhaust 2.5" will be fine. But it has been
said that too big of an exhaust on a turbo car is just right. There really
is no overkill here. For more on exhaust systems look down towards the
bottom...
Which gauges should I have for my
turbocharged Mustang?
Fuel Pressure, Exhaust Gas Temperature, Boost, and all
Mustangs should have an aftermarket coolant temperature gauge because the stocks
one SUCKS! You can use the EGT gauge to help determine if you are running
too lean based on the readings. This can help you prevent a blown head
gasket or worse... The fuel pressure gauge should be mounted where you can
view it easily while blasting down the road. You want to make sure the
fuel pressure doesn't start to drop at the higher RPM's, this is indicative of a
fuel system that isn't up to par.
If money permits add a wideband O2 to
the tuning array. The EGT
is more accurate than an O2 sensor gauge, but the wideband in irreplaceable. The EGT is a little slow to respond
but it gives you real time cylinder
data on 1 cylinder. The wideband responds in milliseconds and is super accurate. There is one kit on the
market that is a few hundred bucks.
But, if you are a high roller you
can buy a MOTEC wideband or an Autronic both of which will set you back about $2000 they are great kits and are
worth the money. The wideband is
best tuning tool there is, and if you can afford the gauge then that is the way to go.
7-29-02: Which header tube should
I probe for my EGT gauge? (contributed by Shailesh Patel)
Go with the shorter
runner, that will give you a reading on the leanest cylinder...in theory. (The GT-40 lower's shortest runner is
#5) On a boosted motor the chamber and runner will be full of air once the motor is pressurized, so
granted there is not fuel drop
across the rail on any given cylinder the readings on all cylinders should be fairly unilateral. Under non
boost conditions the shorter runner
will usually tend to run the leanest. After combustion, there is a void of air in the chamber and the shortest
runner usually has the most air
volume to make up for the drop since the air has less distance to travel before it hits the chamber. Longer
runners will fill the cylinder
completely after combustion but not with the same velocity as a shorter runner. The shorter runner will
absolutely fill the chamber, but
will have less air velocity due to the distance the air has to travel before hitting the chamber. (this is
theory as to why longer runners
make torque, and shorter runners make horsepower) Mathematically, a short runner needs 'x' amount
of air to fill itself entirely,
lets say the longest runner holds 1.25X as much volume as the shortest runner. Thus, the longer runner will
require 'x' X 1.25 to fill the
runner. This can lead to less air in the chamber vs the short runner since the volume of the runner has to be
filled with air before air
completely fills the chamber. Some air will trickle into the chamber but in order for the chamber to be full
the runner has to be full as
well. Remember under boost this is all moot since there is pressure behind
every runner. The best way to know
for sure which cylinder is the leanest is to read the plugs after driving around under non boosted
condtions, but the shortest runner
should be the leanest cylinder and that is what I would read from.
Will the crossover tube supplied
in the single turbo kits work with aftermarket oil pans and bellhousings?
No, you will need to
take the pipe to a muffler shop and have it altered. I will post pics as
soon someone sends me some. Also the supplied crossover pipe will not fit
aftermarket bellhousings. An exhaust shop should be able to make it fit
for less than an hours labor.
What compression ratio should I run
with my turbo engine?
Anything up to 9.5:1 should be fine
with lower boost levels, anything higher than that and you are asking for
trouble on a street car because you will probably have to run race gas all the
time. A typical 5.0 engine with bolted on aftermarket heads is about
9.25:1 If you are building a boost specific engine then build it for 8.5:1
or even lower, depending on how much boost you want to run.
How much boost can I run on pump
gas?
Most cars should be ok up to 8-10 lbs
of boost. Bobby said that he has run 12 pounds of boost on the street on
93 octane with 10 degrees of base timing. Always be on the lookout for
detonation. It also helps a lot to have an aftermarket computer that will
allow you to take out some timing at the peak torque rpm.
Should I run a turbo timer?
A turbo timer
is not necessary. Just let the car idle for a minute after you have been
beating on the car.
What additional maintenance is required
for the turbo?
You should look at
the wastegate signal line
frequently. If it falls off, you could get all the boost the turbo
can make :O. It is a good idea to use
clamps on the lines to add a little protection. Also, keep an eye on the
intercooler hose clamps, they tend to loosen up over time, so they should
be tightened up occasionally. Or you could
get the "good" clamps from a big truck store that should never loosen up. I think they lock somehow. Also, if a
turbo car stops making boost, look for
either an exhaust leak or possibly an intake leak. You should always be listening for
detonation and check the plugs if you suspect something. Also keep an eye
on all the wires under the hood to make sure nothing is melting.
My car seems to be falling on its face at peak
boost, what is wrong?
Most likely the boost is blowing out the spark.
Try running a tighter spark plug gap. Bobby runs .025-.028 on his T76,
anything wider than that and he experiences problems. You also might need
to upgrade your ignition system if the car continues to blow the spark
out. Something like a 7AL should cure all your woes. (keep in mind
this is for the people running 18+ psi, not the average street car. The
average street car will not need the 7AL.) For a typical street car
.032-.035 should be the right plug gap. Remember to keep up on regular tune
up items.
Also, always keep an eye on
your fuel pressure gauge at peak boost. If the fuel pressure starts coming
down then you need more fuel or a bigger fuel system.
How do I launch my Turbo Mustang?
You may want
to get a 2 step to launch a manual tranny turbo car. It's not necessary(Mike Ward's car went a 1.56
60 ft on dr's launching at about 3500-4000 w/ a T5
and no boost on the line), but the 2 step WILL help the motor build boost at
the starting line. I was also told if you're racing, a trick to get better spool up is to take timing out at rpms below your
launch rpm, of course you will need a custom computer or chip to do this.
More updated stuff: 2-1-02: Cartech Street
Sleeper Kit
Because I have decided to order a Cartech Street Sleeper kit, I
have been learning a lot about them. I will post everything that I know
here:
What type of exhaust setup should I run??
Well, since you will now only
have one path of exhaust gasses, there is no reason to use an h-pipe or an
x-pipe. So here is what I am going to do: Run a 3" pipe from the
downpipe almost back to the mufflers. From there I will "Y" it out to the
existing cat back system. This way I can retain the stock dual exhaust
look and I won't have to bother messing with a 3-3.5" single pipe. The
Cartech kit comes with a y-pipe that you but it is only 2.25". If you plan
on doing a custom exhaust then have Cartech delete the Y-pipe from your
order. I plan on paying a muffler shop to help me out with this
setup.
How loud is a single turbo with a wide open
downpipe?
The reason I asked this question is because I wanted to know if I
could drive my car around with no exhaust for a while, until I can get to the
muffler shop. The answer can be found on the multimedia page. Look
at the videos and sound files of turbonotchback's car. He runs a wide-open
downpipe and it isn't loud at all. In isn't any louder than a Mustang with
1 chamber flowmasters! There is another video in the multimedia section a
5.0L mustang idling with a wide-open downpipe, check it out!
What is the point of the bypass valve (BOV)
upgrade that Cartech offers?
The stock BOV supplied in the Cartech SS (street sleeper) kit is a
Bosch unit. It can effectively operate only up to 12-13psi. So
if you plan to run more than that I suggest the upgrade. The larger BOV
requires a different fitting welded onto your piping.
Which fuel pump is supplied in the SS kit?
Cartech supplies the Walbro
GSS340 255lph in tank pump in their kits. This pump is well known for
being great.
Does Cartech recommend a blow through or a draw
through MAF setup?
Cartech recommends that you use a
draw through MAF meter which will be mounted in front of the turbo inside the
fender.
What are the dimensions of the intercooler?
They only offer the vertical
mount intercooler now. It is a 3 core 27" long and 3" thick.
How large can I go with the Cartech Street Sleeper
kit?
If you start out with a 4 bolt
flange turbo, like the T64e that Cartech offers as an upgrade then from there
you can go all the way to a T76 by simply changing the turbos!! Of course
I think that you will have to trim the fender a bit to get that monster to
fit. :-)
Which wastegate comes in the street sleeper
kit?
Cartech uses the Deltagate, which should work
up to 550hp. However, the deltagate is well known in the turbo world
as being unreliable. I would suggest getting a Tial gate if you plan on
making a lot of horsepower.

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